Guruji and GuruAmma in front of Devipuram

I have recently came across an article which says Bala Mantra is cursed and there is a removal mantra for this ,

"All the mantras have curses and each of these mantras have different mantras for removing such curses. These curses are made by sages, gods, goddesses, etc. Bālā mantra too is cursed by Devi, which can be removed by reciting Tripura Bhairavi mantra 100 times.

Tripura Bhairavi mantra: हसैं हसकरीं हसैं  hasaiṁ hasakarīṁ hasaiṁ. "

source : https://www.manblunder.com/articlesview/bala-mantra

Why is the bala mantra cursed , does any one know the reason here.

Thank you

    kdasari

    Śrī Matre Namaḥ,

    In our lineage Bālā mantra does not come with the requirement to chant curse removal mantras. It is assumed that our Guruji's grace covers that part for the devotee. As such, Guruji to my knowledge never discussed mantra curses because they were nullified by his dīkṣa.

    May be someone else can chime in to talk about this topic.

    The only similar thing I came across was Guruji talking about Paraśurāma Kalpa Sūtra Vighna Hara (obstacle removing) mantras for Lalitā, Śyāmā and Vārāhī. According to the scripture, they have to be chanted before the japa of each mūla mantra. But according to my understanding even that was not strictly enforced by Guruji. His grace in this respect is paramount.

    The practices and approach to worship is specific to the Guru lineage – this understanding needs to be maintained as we process information from different sources. The śastras contain an ocean of information but a lineage along with a Guru help the disciple determine what course to follow.

    Kulārṇava Tantra (12.61) says:

    Whatever is heard elsewhere about Mantras and Agamas should be reported to the Guru and accepted only what is approved by him. The rest should be rejected.


    Also, Tripura Bhairavī mantra in our lineage is different from the one you posted.
    Guruji explained it as adding "hsr" to "aiṃ, klīṃ and sauḥ", which comes to: hsraiṃ, hsklrīṃ (he also sometimes wrote it as hsrklīṃ) hsrsauḥ.

    kdasari

    It is often said that mantras are cursed and therefore require some type of specific ritual action (pūjā) or another set of specific curse removal mantras to make them effective. This is a very orthodox and traditional point of view which is for the most part not followed in contemporary paramparās that impart dīkṣā, such as ours.

    However, that being said, many tantras (both Śaiva and Vaiṣṇava) describe such imperfections and "defects" of mantras. The Kulārṇava tantra describes sixty such faults that can affect mantras such as being "asleep", "terrifying", "fruitless", "devoid of a limb", and even "diseased." Other tantras describe mantric imperfections as having to do with an inauspicious number of syllables and the placement of certain syllables in an order that is not conducive to attainment. More blatant examples include, hearing a mantra by accident, or reading it in a book, both require extra rituals to re-empower them. A little more specialized and esoteric is the recommendation that certain mantras are not to be chanted aloud and so if they are spoken, they are already rendered defective and need to be "fixed." Sometimes these fixes involve extended recitation.

    Of course, many will likely wonder how in the world can a mantra, which is divine in nature and transmitted through tradition be given as deficient, wouldn't that mean that the tradition itself is deficient?

    It is a perfectly legitimate question. A mantra might be thought to be defective because mantras (which are often given in code) are interpreted, or rather "extracted" slightly differently according to different traditions. If one wants to venture further, one might even say "incorrectly."

    Another reason a mantra might be thought to be defective or cursed is that it is simply too powerful for common people and so sages who attained siddhi with it cursed such a mantra so the average person will not be able to misuse its śakti. This is a very popular explanation that can be found throughout our Purāṇas.

    As admin wrote, in Guruji's tradition (at least as far as I have understood it!) the grace of Śrī Guru who imparts the mantra removes all defects, "curses," and imperfections that may exist and gives the śiṣya a priceless and flawless gem, ready to be polished daily with mantra japa.

    śrī gurubhyo namaḥ

    kdasari

    Śrī Matre Namaḥ,

    This is to prevent and discourage people from chanting some mantras which they heard somewhere or read from a book without taking dīkṣā from a Guru. Once a deity shares some esoteric knowledge with a sādhaka, it becomes a responsibility of that sādhaka to guard the mantra and the knowledge of mantra siddhi and transmit only to someone who deserves and if the deity gives permission.

    Taking dīkṣā is very important which even deities sometimes remind some Gurus. In one pravachanam by Bhrahmasri Samavedam Shanmukha Sharma garu, he narrated an experience shared with him by some person. This person attended some mediation and lecture sessions on Lalitā Sahasranāmam by some initiated Guru. One day he was so happy, he made everyone recite Śrī Lalitā Triśatī (I think so, I will have to find that clip again) and that night Devī came into his dream and told him not to make any uninitiated person recite Śrī Lalitā Triśatī. The next day that Guru shared his experience with everyone.

    And in some cases some mantras may very well be cursed which happen in Tantras because Tantric mantras are the easiest to chant, very potent and deliver results very fast. Unless one has a protection from a Guru, one can do a lot of damage to oneself and people around with Tantric mantras.

    Śrī Gurubhyo Namaḥ

      deviupasaka

      hi as far as i asked in the forum lalitha trishati dont need initiation. i think admin have talked to guruamma about this

        kdasari

        I don't remember if it was Lalitā Triśatī or something else. Once I find that YouTube video, I will update the post.

        kdasari

        Yes. The issue is again with the lineage. In many lineages one cannot chant Khaḍgamālā without an initiation. In ours we can, including 300 names of Lalitā.

        Initially i was also having doubts like this , but later once i listened to guruji lectures , i resonated with what he said , once she gives life she already initiated us , and it is she who shows the path to reach her , can something happen without her notice , not possible , so all is fine.

        For example guruji gave sri vidya mantras on youtube and also many other creators have uploaded moola mantra on youtube , but still only few people reach them , and i think they find it with her grace and she has already given permission.

        16 days later

        By my Guru’s grace Haran Aiyah of Rochester New yoke, mantra practice and Diksha should always be done and receive with the right motivation. When one receive an initiation into any particular mantra of a deity and when one generates a pure motivation that this diksha is received for all mother sentient beings and their liberation from the suffering of samsara then whatever mantric curses will dissolve into emptiness and pervades into Fullness.

        Only mantra chanted for selfish reasons or unskillful motivation will need to worry about curses etc.

        Namo Varahi

        2 years later

        It is better to not make any assumptions. We have shastras to avoid this sort of confusion. If you are worried about the curse then please chant the removal mantra if you've received the 9 year old version of Bala. There is a reason this mantra was cursed. It gives siddhis too fast. So it was locked. There is much more to be said about this. As far as 6 year old Bala, Sri Amritananda Natha Sarasvati is Bala in the flesh. He can do as he pleases. But the original Bala mantra is absolutely locked, the 9 year old too.

        a year later

        Nagender

        Your guru should have given you the curse removal mantra which is chanted 108x for 4 consecutive days. What this acharya says in the video is 100% correct. Do not accept anyone's telling you that "their parampara magically has the power to disregard this curse". This is nonsense. Bala, Lalita, RajaMatangi and Tripura Bhairavi, have curses that must be removed and they are all unique.

          shashtishananda

          Please suggest where l can find curse removal mantras for Bala panchadasi and Sodasi 🙏🙏🙏

            Nagender

            Śrī Mātre Namaḥ,

            I haven't seen the video you posted nor I intend to watch ever, as it shouldn't concern me or anyone learning Śrī Vidyā from Devipuram.

            To put your mind at ease, śāstrās say if one doesn't practise Guru mantra religiously as instructed by Guru it would affect the Guru that is why a Guru gives mantra after testing a seeker for a very long time if s/he is really worthy. But Guruji said he is ready to take on any negative karma that may come due to Guruji's generosity is giving dīkṣa to anyone and everyone including the highest mantras in Śrī Vidyā whether they are going to practise or not.

            Also, so many people buy and have bought Śrī Meru from Devipuram and have been worshipping to their capacity and knowledge and many of those who buy do not even participate in learning Śrī Vidyā through the structured courses of Devipuram. Not a single one has come back and said something terrible happened in their life after they bought the Meru while the general consensus from so many Śrī Vidyā experts and other sampradayās is not to keep Meru at home as Meru needs complex elaborate worship daily.

            Having faith in Guru should be first and foremost and mantras, knowledge in some texts etc. all those come later.

            One of the instructors will offer more explanation and clarify this unnecessary fear and confusion.

            Sri mātre namah. So kind of you to share the information. I’m so glad to hear it. Please accept my apologies to be swayed by YouTube videos like that. Thank You. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

            This page says the six syllable Bala mantra is not cursed. Read it.

            https://amritananda-natha-saraswati.blogspot.com/2016/04/bala-meditation-guide.html

            Moreover, here Guruji has given six obstacle removing mantras to be chanted before Sri Vidya mantras:

            https://amritananda-natha-saraswati.blogspot.com/p/blog-page_90.html

            He has been so very open. And ths is what makes him the best Sri Vidya guru. He did not hold any knowledge hostage, and he did not spread fear. And he gave diksha to everybody who wanted it.

              nilasara

              Śrī Mātre Namaḥ,

              As mentioned before, the information on the blog is not verifiable if every word has come from Guruji himself.

              I don't think it's appropriate to use anecdotal testimony to confirm a biases you have about this subject. I know plenty of people who had seriously unfavorable circumstances happen in their lives while doing Sri Vidya sadhana without following what the established acharyas taught. It is a modern trend to reinvent our dharma to tickle our ears with the truth we want to believe about ignoring the things we don't think apply to us. Some people believe they can take up chanting a mantra after watching a YouTube video. Some people don't think they need a kavach. Some people think their guru can just rewrite our shastra and say "according to me…" when giving instructions. These gurus don't just take the karma of giving faulty instructions, they have to suffer instead because harm will come to the people they teach. You see? You see, this is why it's important to teach people to read the shastra for themselves and to know when they've been taught something that's erroneous. People need to learn to be critical thinkers, not just ignorant sheep that follow the leader. Guruji taught that we must try things and if it doesn't work disregard it. So in that way of thinking, try to follow what the shastra says, and if you're "on your own" ready to disregard a rishis curse, then try to do things different. To answer the questions about Balajis mantra, here you can find more info

              https://manblunder.com/articlesview/bala-mantra-japa

              Jai Ambe Jai Gurunatha 🙏🏼

                shashtishananda

                May be my earlier response was not very clear, it doesn't matter whether Bālā mantra is cursed or not, I already made it very clear that people who took dīkṣa from Devipuram have not suffered in any way and till date several hundreds of people, probably thousands we don't keep track got dīkṣa from Guruji and Guru Amma.

                If I say the same that you are confirming your own biases with whatever little evidence you have seen that some people got cursed, I wonder what would be your answer?

                Manblunder is from a different parampara, and how is that your faith in Manblunder can supersede everything else, unless you are believing blindly what they say?

                Guruji himself said he is ready to take on any karma from giving dīkṣa, I don't know who you are insinuating here.

                If you have taken dīkṣa from Guruji and Guru Amma and still you don't have faith in their instructions then may be Devipuram is not the place for you for your Śrī Vidyā path.

                This is for anyone now or in the future who has doubts, fears around this idea that Bālā mantra is cursed and there needs to be a curse reversal mantra in order to chant it.

                If you have taken dīkṣa from Devipuram, from Guruji and Guru Amma then there is nothing to worry, but if you have taken dīkṣa from another parampara then we can't advise you on the same. You will need to check with the Guru who gave you Bālā mantra.

                Besides Goddess Bālā is the first Guru of Guruji who persuaded Guruji into quitting his job and dedicating his life to Goddess Worship and spreading Śrī Vidyā. She was persistent and got a house built for Her in the form of a Śrī Meru, She even guided Guruji at every stage of building Śrī Yantra Mahā Meru.

                If anyone who claims to have taken dīkṣa from Guruji says Bālā mantra is cursed, then either Guruji must have told them not to worry when the person checked with Guruji or the discussion never happened and the person is simply undermining Guruji and Devipuram Parampara.

                A word of caution to seekers who want to learn Śrī Vidyā from Devipuram or learn anything from any Guru - if a Guru criticises another Guru then the person is on an ego-trip and is not a realised being who can show you the way. Please use your judgement wisely before deciding whom to follow as a Guru.

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