Guruji and GuruAmma in front of Devipuram

While Shatchakra Nirupanam says the presiding deity of Muladhara is "Dakini" while this is associated to "Visuddhi Chakra" in Lalitha Sahasranamam.

Can someone please advice on how to relate it?

Verse 106-107 from Lalitha Sahsranamam

viśuddhicakra-nilayā''raktavarṇā trilocanā .
khaṭvāṅgādi-praharaṇā vadanaika-samanvitā .. 98..

pāyasānnapriyā tvaksthā paśuloka-bhayaṅkarī .
amṛtādi-mahāśakti-saṃvṛtā ḍākinīśvarī .. 99..

mūlādhārāmbujārūḍhā pañca-vaktrā'sthi-saṃsthitā .
aṅkuśādi-praharaṇā varadādi-niṣevitā .. 106..

mudgaudanāsakta-cittā sākinyambā-svarūpiṇī .

Verse 5 from SatChakra Nirupanam:
https://www.bhagavadgitausa.com/sat_chakra_Nirupana.pdf

amuṣmin dharāyaś-catuṣkoṇa-cakraṁ
samudbhāsi śūlāṣṭakairāvṛtaṁ tat
lasat pītā-varṇaṁ tadit-komalāngaṁ
tadante samāste dharāyāḥ svabījaṁ

    did you find any relation in Soundarya lahari?

    JyothiViswanadham

    I updated your LSN reference verses, please try to use Sanskrit Documents for the proper IAST transliterations.

    JyothiViswanadham

    That's not the easiest question to answer. To complicated it even more in the Vārāhī Yantra Pūjā we also find variations to Lalitā Sahasranāma. As you can see, only two of them match. Unclear why.

    It is interesting to note that they are two kinds of occults
    Vishuddhi occult (in which adi yogi is specialized :) ) and Muladhara Occult
    source - https://isha.sadhguru.org/global/en/wisdom/article/vishuddhi-chakra-the-power-of-blue

    In the Lalitha Sahasranamam vs Sat Chakra Nirupanam, Muladhara and Vishuddhi are exchanged and Swadhisthana and Anahata are exchanged.

    I tried looking more info on these occult classifications (Muladhara vs Vishuddhi) but could not find luck today. may be i need to read on shivism to understand/reason the differences

      JyothiViswanadham

      As far as I can see the question is basically to provide advice on how to relate two different conceptions of the dhātu yoginīs. The subtext of the question is that there is a contradiction in that the LSN and the Ṣaṭcakranirūpaṇa (SCN) do not match regarding these yoginīs. I believe they don't have to be related, or even really need to be, but to relate them would require a very in-depth understanding of both systems and of kaula tantra yoga and haṭha yoga at large.

      In terms of the discrepancies, there are several plausible reasons why this may be, the least of which is that they come from two different regions and knowledge systems with differing lineage specific conceptions regarding these yoginīs.

      The classification of the seven yoginīs described in the LSN adheres much closer, actually exactly, to those of a South India system stemming from specialized kaula lineages rather than what is described in the SCN. One can make what they will of that, but it is [hopefully not] controversial to suggest that the LSN is of South Indian provenance, or more accurately that it was first revealed in South India to Agastya.

      The SCN is actually a fairly late tantric compendium which has, for purely historical reasons not completely unrelated to how the British and Arthur Avalon himself viewed the text, become the single guiding light for the vast majority of contemporary practitioners, but it in no way covers all the conceptions through the vast nectarean ocean of tantra śāstra.

      While this isn't necessarily a travesty, it does create problems when people think that this text is the "one stop shop" for everything to do with the cakras and that if anything deviates from this now "classic" conception there may be something wrong.

      For example, if we look into the Paraśurāmakalpasutra we can find, at least one, completely different conception of the cakras than the one from the SCN.

      Provisionally it seems that the LSN and the SCN are from two different lineages, one more kaula and one more aligned with haṭha yoga and so therefore they have slightly different conceptions of these yoginīs. As to why they differ on each point that would be a research project in and of itself. As to the question of why the Vārāhī yantra pūjā differs from the LSN in terms of the placements of dhātu yoginīs I think that requires us to do the sādhanā first and then continually refine our understanding. Hopefully someone else will be able to shed some light on the inner nature of the yoginīs as they relate through various texts and systems. Such questions are very difficult to think about, but the answers are often very simple. śrī gurubhyo namaḥ

      The SCN conceptions of cakras as compared to yoginīs from the LSN has been pointed out in a comparative chart (photo attached) prepared by Vidya Dehejia, but not discussed in depth, in her classic book on the yoginīs entitled "Yoginī Cult and Temples: A Tantric Tradition."

      Thanks for the reply. It is very informative :) actually i realized to follow one Kaula and not interfere with other thoughts much at this starting point :) __/__

      "The SCN conceptions of cakras as compared to yoginīs from the LSN has been pointed out in a comparative chart" - i went through this book and i did not understand how the comparison is made.

      for me, it felt more like pictorial represenatation of LSN. because LSN clearly says chakra, Yogini & Dhatu which match the image.

      Śrī Matre Namaḥ,

      Adding to the detailed explanation Adikeshava gave, this work Ṣaṭ Cakra Nirūpaṇa by Arthur Avalon is based on the original text from Bengal written by Purnananda Swami. And this work could be an amalgamation of teachings from tantric schools from Orissa, Bengal and even Assam. Only an academic person can answer.

      But in the first or second book of Aghora Trilogy, Aghori Vimalānandā says Arthur Avalon learnt everything about tantra from Purnananda Swami who was a Bengali and he even mentions that Purnananda Swami did Śava Sādhana as far as I remember.

      Śrī Gurubhyo Namaḥ

      I think no one is correct nor no one is wrong , infinite are her names , infinite are the paths to reach her.

      That is perfect, this is perfect, perfect comes from perfect

      Take perfect from perfect, the remainder is perfect

        7 days later

        Lineages developed differently (slightly) with each Gurus Seers special individual experiences

        So we have to follow one sampradya or lineage. These are technical issues only the very BIG ones read Gurus can offer a solution to.

        Follow a Guru just do what he says and you are on track.

        13 days later

        To add another facet to this discussion for contemplation, I have been taught that some practices are descriptive, meaning they describe what is located in a particular place, and others are prescriptive, meaning for the practitioner to place these things where they are mentioned, meditate on them during the sādhana, and experience what happens. Many different things can be placed in many different locations, with many different and powerful results. This underscores the importance of taking dīkṣā and having the guidance of a Guruparaṃparā.

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